Don’t vaccinate? You’re an idiot

Published January 1, 2007

Turns out the doctor who tried to scare people by claiming a link between the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism was paid by people who wanted to create a scare and sue vaccine makers.

From the Times of London:

ANDREW WAKEFIELD, the former surgeon whose campaign linking the MMR vaccine with autism caused a collapse in immunisation rates, was paid more than £400,000 by lawyers trying to prove that the vaccine was unsafe.

The payments, unearthed by The Sunday Times, were part of £3.4m distributed from the legal aid fund to doctors and scientists who had been recruited to support a now failed lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers.

Critics this weekend voiced amazement at the sums, which they said created a clear conflict of interest and were the “financial engine” behind a worldwide alarm over the triple measles, mumps and rubella shot.



  1. GaryL says:

    The jury is still out on the possible link between MMR vaccine and autism. Also know that the river flows both ways and that many more doctors have been found to have taken money from drug companies in order to “promote” their drugs. Vaccination is important. To provide the immune system with a blueprint of a disease will help it fight it if it comes in contact with it. This is not the same as taking a medication to say fight a cold. As a lot of medications (especially over the counter) simple mask a symptom of an underlying situation. Vaccines provide the immune system with a dead or synthesized pathogen in order to teach it how to react to it if it comes in contact with the living version.

  2. Andrew says:

    Why do you say the jury is still out? Wakefield’s study, which had already been withdrawn by Lancet, was the major work in the area. Studies since then have repeatedly shown no link ‘tween the vaccination and autism.

    As I recall (and jump in if I’m wrong), the reason many suspected the link is because the signs of autism often show up at about the same time — 18 months — that the MMR is given. So it’s an awful coincidence.

  3. GaryL says:

    I say the jury is still out because there are more than just one doctor studying the possible link between the MMR vaccine and autism. There is no doubt that the MMR vaccine works. But as far as its relation to autism is concerned I think that more investigation should be performed. Besides Wakefield was not against the MMR vaccine. He was against giving it all at once. He wanted people to move to giving the shots throughout a few years time and not all at once. He also said that the instances of gastrointestinal and behavioral problems started soon after injection. And he also said that if some time had passed then there is no worry of the symptoms appearing. This hardly sounds like a puppet of the lawyers.

    http://briandeer.com/wakefield/royal-video.htm

  4. ronbailey says:

    That’s absurd! Wakefield’s 1998 study has been resoundingly rejected – 10 out of the 13 researchers who wrote the study later rejected their own findings, saying that the study was too small (just 12 subjects) to prove any causal link between the vaccine and autism.

    Meanwhile, in the other corner:

    (taken verbatim from the CDC)

    1. Madsen et al. (2002) conducted a study of all children born in Denmark from January 1991 through December 1998. There were a total of 537,303 children in the study; 440,655 of the children were vaccinated with MMR and 96,648 were not. The researchers did not find a higher risk of autism in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated group of children. Furthermore, there was no association between the age at time of vaccination, the amount of time that had passed since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of any autistic disorder. Though there were many more vaccinated than unvaccinated children in the study group, the sample was large enough to contain more statistical power than other MMR and autism studies. Therefore, this study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.

    2. In 1997, the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) was examined to see if there was any link between measles vaccine and neurological events. The researchers found no indication that measles vaccine contributes to the development of long-term neurological damage, including educational and behavioral deficits (Miller et al., 1997).

    3. A study by Gillberg and Heijbel (1998) examined the prevalence of autism in children born in Sweden from 1975-1984. There was no difference in the prevalence of autism among children born before the introduction of the MMR vaccine in Sweden and those born after the vaccine was introduced.

    4. # In 1999, the British Committee on Safety of Medicines convened a “Working Party on MMR Vaccine” to conduct a systematic review of reports of autism, gastrointestinal disease, and similar disorders after receipt of MMR or measles/rubella vaccine. It was concluded that the available information did not support the posited associations between MMR and autism and other disorders.

    5. Taylor and colleagues (1999) studied 498 children with autism in the UK and found the age at which they were diagnosed was the same regardless of whether they received the MMR vaccine before or after 18 months of age or whether they were never vaccinated. Importantly, the first signs or diagnoses of autism were not more likely to occur within time periods following MMR vaccination than during other time periods. Also, there was no sudden increase in cases of autism after the introduction of MMR vaccine in the UK. Such a jump would have been expected if MMR vaccine was causing a substantial increase in autism.

    And the list goes on and on… You can read the whole thing at the CDC website. There is no “jury” to be out. In fact, I doubt you can find enough scientists still on the fence to form a jury.

    I’m glad people like Wakefield are now being exposed as the corporate shills that they truly are. Exxon-Mobile also just got caught with their pants down around their ankles as well, spending roughly $16 million dollars trying to “manufacture uncertainty” about global warming.

    Shameful.

  5. GaryL says:

    I am not defending Wakefield in any way. I am just saying that as long as there are doctors that think that the single MMR injection may have a relation to autism it should receive study. Not only that but those 10 out of 13 writers of the original study had to believe what they were writing at the time they put their name to it. It was not until all the pressure came down that they took their support away from the research.

    Please remember that in the news, one moment we are told that something is safe, then the next we are told that it will kill us.

    And also know that it only takes one positive result to dash any of those negative results. I say let them research it.

    You sound very close minded. That is shameful.

  6. Andrew says:

    Although I don’t agree completely that “as there are doctors that think that the single MMR injection may have a relation to autism it should receive study” (else we’d be teaching Creationism and flat-earth theory in schools), Gary does have a point — as long as there are legitimate concerns it should certainly be studied. But we will reach a point where we’re confident one way or another.

    “…in the news, one moment we are told that something is safe, then the next we are told that it will kill us.”

    Ah, yes. Butter or margarine — which is better for you? Eggs: Today they’ll kill you, yesterday they were great. I bet there are a lot of other examples. Good point.

  7. tommy says:

    while the jury may be out still, I say there is no link between the mmr vaccine and autism. they can study it ’til they’re blue in the face.

    autism manifests early – I think it is usually diagnosed before 4 years old, which is long after the MMR vaccine has usually been administered. That makes it an easy mark – there’s a boatload you can’t tell about a kid at that age. they often can’t tell whether or not someone is autistic or will develop symptoms until long after those vaccines are administered. So let’s see if we can blame it on something.

    Until they could blame it on MMR they surely credited God for it, which was closer to the truth (perhaps that depends on your definition of God). I love the bit about the sports stars from the winning and losing teams: Somewhere out there a member of the winning team is giving credit to God while a member of the losing team blames themselves.

    there was more risk in bringing the kid into this world; vaccinate them.

    while you’re at it, wear sun block and stay away from the margarine.

  8. Misty says:

    First of all, you should not label anyone as an idiot. The favor will be returned. The reason I made the choice to stop vaccinating my children is many. First of all, vaccinations do not allow all the components of the immune system to work properly, therefore resulting in later deseases and cancers. My children had reactions that will never go away. The vaccine companies are all for profit- YAY. Like I want them to make a profit off of my child suffering from what they jabbed into them? No way. No more.
    Thank you.

  9. Gnomic says:

    Misty,

    Unless you have a degree in research medicine and the research to prove what you just stated in front a ful medical review board and science review panel (like the latest study in the journal of medicine), print out the word idiot and epoxy it to your forehead. Feel free to print it in reverse as it seems you need the reminder.

    YOU ARE THE IDIOT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    Medical reaserch fails to show any of what you just said is true. Sure, there is the occatinoal study that says something like this, but then there are fallowup studies that show that they aren’t true that all the idiots zelosusly ignore.

    The problem with this idiocity is that evolution will kill the kids and not thier idiot parents. And these kids will provide a vector that will put my kids and my family at risk.

    The problem with evolution is that it doesn’t work fast enough. And you don’t remember when all these diseases were rampent.

    Somehow, IDIOT just doesn’t seem strong enough.

  10. Gnomic says:

    Misty,

    If and when your child suffers and perhaps dies for your idiot beliefs, you (and all the others like you that still think the earth is flat) should immediately find a way to suffer a die a similar fate. Because anyone who isn’t mentally retartded that willingly chooses to put thier children at risk deserve the same cruel fate.

    Thankfully, my mother wasn’t that stupid.

  11. Misty says:

    Excuse me? I didn’t go calling you names? I could? But I am not going to stoop that low. There is “medical” research to back up my points. Tell me if you feel comfortable having a doctor jab toxins into your child that will later be cancer causing? Not to mention all the shit that is in them such as; Mercury, Foreldahyde, chicken egg, human embryo, and most of all read this article I found.

    Why we don’t vaccinate
    31Jul07
    Vaccines are a potent cocktail of ingredients that most people take without thought or hesitation. I am thankful that my wife started the research that eventually lead us to the decision to no longer vaccinate our children. As such, I thought some would benefit from our findings and help you understand why we don’t vaccinate. Here is a list of some common ingredients found in vaccinations:
    Formaldehyde
    Found in: DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), Biothrax (anthrax), DTP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), IPOL (polio), Tripedia (tetanus)
    While it is safe to assume everyone knows that formaldehyde is a bad thing, I thought it necessary to back it up with a list of the dangers. Studies have shown that short term exposure to the chemical produced burning sensations in the eyes, nose, and throat; wheezing; nausea. Research has also been done that suggests it is linked to cancer in nasal sinuses, nasopharnyx, brain and possibly leukemia. In 1987, the EPA classified it as a possible human carcinogen.
    Thimerosal
    Found in: DTaP, DPT, Energix-B (hepatitis B), FluShield (influenza, flu shot), HiB Titer (influenza), Menomune (meningococcal), Rabbies vaccine, Recombivax (hepatitis B), Tripedia
    Thimerosal is used as a preservative in most vaccines. The major concern with its use is the high concentration of mercury, which has been linked to mental disorders. Several alarming studies showed a significant increased odds ratio for autism, mental retardation, speech disorder, personality disorders, and thinking abnormality in children who received thimerosal-contained vaccines as opposed to those who did not. This is a huge controversy in the medical world, as other research suggests there is not a link between the two. It is also interesting to note that ethylene glycol, also known as anti-freeze, is a major component of the chemical makeup of thimerosal.
    Phenol
    Found in: Dryvax (smallpox), Imovax (rabbies), NYVAC (smallpox), Pneumovax (streptococcus), Typhim Vi (typhoid)
    Also known as carbolic acid, it is often used in weed killers and disinfectants. In some cases, it can be used to clean wounds. However, it is considered extremely toxic if digested.
    Human Diploid Cells
    Found in: Biavax (Rubella), Havrix (hepatitis a), Imovax, MMR, M-R-vax, ProQuad (MMR), RotaShield (rotavirus), Varivax (chicken pox)
    This is more of an ethical concern than a health concern. Basically, a human diploid cell is one in which two chromosomes (one from each parent) are present. The bad news is that some pharmaceutical companies are extracting these from aborted fetuses such as the WI-38 and the MRC-5.
    Other Factors
    It is also alarming to note that in 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Act which set up a fund to reimburse parents who lost their children due to vaccinations and effectively shielded pharmaceutical companies from being sued. I can’t imagine the guilt of losing my child because I let someone inject them with micro-doses of viruses.
    We also see a rise in super virus strands such as the ever-evolving flu virus. The U.S. Center for Disease control has noted that the flu vaccine has become increasingly ineffective. This is because the flu viral strands are adapting, becoming stronger. I personally attribute this to the mass inoculations that people often take without regard.
    Be Informed
    My whole point is that I want you to make informed decisions. I would question every thing the doctor prescribes so that you can make an educated decision about what you allow in your body and your childrens’ bodies.
    References:
    Barrett, J. (2006). Potential immunotoxic effect of thimerosal. Environmental Health Perspectives. 114, 429.
    Cass, H. (2006). Environmental toxin imbalances. Total Health. 28, 26-30.
    Crowe, D. (2004). Thimerosal. Canadian Journal of Health & Nutrition. 264, 64-66.
    Formaldehyde and cancer. (2004). Questions and Answers, pp. 1-6.

    You think there is no research because you are definately closed minded. I don’t call you an idiot even though you vaccinate which will eventually lead to problems.

  12. Misty says:

    And…. I don’t have to have a medical degree to make an educated decision. I am a mother. That is good enough to me

  13. Misty says:

    Why we don’t vaccinate
    31Jul07
    Vaccines are a potent cocktail of ingredients that most people take without thought or hesitation. I am thankful that my wife started the research that eventually lead us to the decision to no longer vaccinate our children. As such, I thought some would benefit from our findings and help you understand why we don’t vaccinate. Here is a list of some common ingredients found in vaccinations:
    Formaldehyde
    Found in: DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), Biothrax (anthrax), DTP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), IPOL (polio), Tripedia (tetanus)
    While it is safe to assume everyone knows that formaldehyde is a bad thing, I thought it necessary to back it up with a list of the dangers. Studies have shown that short term exposure to the chemical produced burning sensations in the eyes, nose, and throat; wheezing; nausea. Research has also been done that suggests it is linked to cancer in nasal sinuses, nasopharnyx, brain and possibly leukemia. In 1987, the EPA classified it as a possible human carcinogen.
    Thimerosal
    Found in: DTaP, DPT, Energix-B (hepatitis B), FluShield (influenza, flu shot), HiB Titer (influenza), Menomune (meningococcal), Rabbies vaccine, Recombivax (hepatitis B), Tripedia
    Thimerosal is used as a preservative in most vaccines. The major concern with its use is the high concentration of mercury, which has been linked to mental disorders. Several alarming studies showed a significant increased odds ratio for autism, mental retardation, speech disorder, personality disorders, and thinking abnormality in children who received thimerosal-contained vaccines as opposed to those who did not. This is a huge controversy in the medical world, as other research suggests there is not a link between the two. It is also interesting to note that ethylene glycol, also known as anti-freeze, is a major component of the chemical makeup of thimerosal.
    Phenol
    Found in: Dryvax (smallpox), Imovax (rabbies), NYVAC (smallpox), Pneumovax (streptococcus), Typhim Vi (typhoid)
    Also known as carbolic acid, it is often used in weed killers and disinfectants. In some cases, it can be used to clean wounds. However, it is considered extremely toxic if digested.
    Human Diploid Cells
    Found in: Biavax (Rubella), Havrix (hepatitis a), Imovax, MMR, M-R-vax, ProQuad (MMR), RotaShield (rotavirus), Varivax (chicken pox)
    This is more of an ethical concern than a health concern. Basically, a human diploid cell is one in which two chromosomes (one from each parent) are present. The bad news is that some pharmaceutical companies are extracting these from aborted fetuses such as the WI-38 and the MRC-5.
    Other Factors
    It is also alarming to note that in 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Act which set up a fund to reimburse parents who lost their children due to vaccinations and effectively shielded pharmaceutical companies from being sued. I can’t imagine the guilt of losing my child because I let someone inject them with micro-doses of viruses.
    We also see a rise in super virus strands such as the ever-evolving flu virus. The U.S. Center for Disease control has noted that the flu vaccine has become increasingly ineffective. This is because the flu viral strands are adapting, becoming stronger. I personally attribute this to the mass inoculations that people often take without regard.
    Be Informed
    My whole point is that I want you to make informed decisions. I would question every thing the doctor prescribes so that you can make an educated decision about what you allow in your body and your childrens’ bodies.
    References:
    Barrett, J. (2006). Potential immunotoxic effect of thimerosal. Environmental Health Perspectives. 114, 429.
    Cass, H. (2006). Environmental toxin imbalances. Total Health. 28, 26-30.
    Crowe, D. (2004). Thimerosal. Canadian Journal of Health & Nutrition. 264, 64-66.
    Formaldehyde and cancer. (2004). Questions and Answers, pp. 1-6.
    Geler, D. and M. Geler. (2004). Neurological disorders following thimerosal-containing childhood immunizations: A follow-up analysis. International Journal of Toxicology. 23, 369-376.
    Heron, J. and J. Golding. (2004). Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: A prospective cohort study in the United Kingdom does not support a causal association. Pediatrics. 114, 577-583.

  14. Andrew says:

    But you have to have more than a “gut feeling” to make statements such as “First of all, vaccinations do not allow all the components of the immune system to work properly, therefore resulting in later deseases and cancers.”

    First, that implies an expertise you clearly don’t have. Second, it’s hardly an educated decision you’re making on behalf of your children. It’s a sad, willful ignorance — and a willingness to let them suffer for your decision.

  15. Misty says:

    So why is it that when I tried to post the “expertise” of a reputable source that you won’t allow it? I wonder why….

  16. Andrew says:

    Ah — your other comments (there were two) got snagged by the spam filter. My guess is that there were too many medications listed. I’ve de-spammed them.

  17. Andrew says:

    And I’ll note that one of the papers cited in that article you posted was pretty clear in its title: “Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: A prospective cohort study in the United Kingdom does not support a causal association.

    (Emphasis mine.)

    Further, you’ve decided to put your kids at risk based on a blog post? That’s where that came from — a blog called “Massive Truth.”

    It’s written by a gentleman who has no medical expertise, who claims to have visions, and who begins his “About” page with

    How I Met Christ

    I always start with the prophet Jeremiah when sharing the testimony of God’s grace in my life, because I believe that God has spoken these same words to me…

    Forgive me if I don’t make decisions about my child’s health based on people like him.

  18. Andrew says:

    Further, four of the five papers he cites concern thimerosal. Multiple short- and long-term studies have shown there is no link between thimerosal and autism (including one he cited).

    Further still, thimerosal is being phased out as a vaccine preservative.

    So what your argument boils down to is, “I will expose my children to an array of potential deadly diseases because a blog post I read (which cited a handful of articles) said thimerosal might causes problems, despite the overwhelming medical and scientific opinion, and even though thimerosal is no longer being used.”

    You might deserve what you get, but your kids don’t.

  19. Andrew says:

    I can keep going. How about the study, reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, of all the children born in Denmark from January 1, 1990, until December 31, 1996 (more than 467,000 of them)?

    Its conclusion was pretty clear:

    The risk of autism and other autistic-spectrum disorders did not differ significantly between children vaccinated with thimerosal-containing vaccine and children vaccinated with thimerosal-free vaccine.

    If you don’t want to vaccinate your kids because you think some god spoke to you, that’s fine. Odd, but fine. But don’t even try to say there’s a rational or scientific reason for your choice.

  20. Misty says:

    This is what another fellow had spoke to me about….

    Welp Misty…, I’m sure if you told them you wanted to “EXEMPT” for religious and moral reasons they would let you. It’s a law in every state that you can exempt. You might just tell your worker that you are thinking about it and ask her what they would require and how to go about it just to feel the situation out.

    But, I will tell you what I did in 1983. This is what my grandbabies mom is going to do too. I had a card with a previous vax on it. So…I just FORGED IT the rest of it!!!. You need to pull up a childhood vaccination schedule on the computer so you will know the appropriate dates to put on card. They never give it a second look. All they do is make a copy of it and stick it in a file! Actually it might be better to do it that way because someday the children might not be able to get any Exemptions. Just do anything you can to not vax anymore. IT IS A LAW THAT THEY HAVE TO LET YOU EXEMPT right now. I don’t know what the future holds tho. If at all possible DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING THEY WANT YOU TO EXCEPT THE EXEMPTION FORM. Sometimes Doctors require that you sign their paper saying that you know you might be putting your child at risk.

    The problem with signing this is YOU ARE NOT PUTTING YOUR CHILD AT RISK BY NOT VAXING. YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR CHILDREN AT RISK BY VAXING!!!!

    So don’t sign anything. They want you to admit guilt before anything has happened. And, they want a record of it. GET IN THIER FACES AND SAY you want them to sign a paper guarenteeing that your child will suffer no reactions or illness to the vaccinations. THEY WON’T DO IT.

    This is a very scary and complicated issue. Just go into it questioning them and seeing what the possibilities are.

    I WOULD MOVE TO CANADA BEFORE I WOULD VAX MY CHILD TODAY. That is how important an issue this is. LIFE OR DEATH. In 1983 there were 25 vaccine doses. Today there are 67 vaccine doses plus gardisil every year. And, they have 200 more vaccines in development. They are killing this generation of children. Even if your children aren’t sick now you don’t know what effect the vaccines might have on them in their futures. YOU ARE WISE TO STOP NOW!

    Be a mad mother lioness and tear off anybody’s head that wants to vaccinate your lion cubs. Do your research so that you can empower yourself. They will try to make you feel stupid and scare you…They are the ignorant ones. They just puppet what the AMA schools teach them. And, the AMA schools are supported by BIG PHARMA. Good luck girl…I am proud of you…and, never for one minute think you aren’t doing the right thing. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are refusing to vax because they are waking up to the fact they are killing our children!!! If your child gets chicken pox or measles SO WHAT! I had them. They are normal childhood diseases. Just let them run their course. And, with any illness let it run it’s course. FEVER IS YOUR FRIEND…Makes kid miserable but that is how they burn off toxins, posions, and virus and bacteria. Just don’t let kids temperature get to high. Feed your kids the best you can with lots of fresh fruits and vegetables and minimal sugar. They will be fine.

    Diseases live off of sugar…. REMEMBER THAT!!!

    Hugs…Leelee

  21. Misty says:

    PHYSICIAN’S WARRANTY OF VACCINE SAFETY – Can YOU get yours to sign??

    Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety

    I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____ am a physician licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________ . My State license number is _______________ , and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is ______________________ .
    I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name) ___________________________ , age _________________ , whom I have examined, I find that certain risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them:
    Risk Factor Vaccination:
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    _____________________________________________________ ________________________
    I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers:

    • aluminum hydroxide
    • aluminum phosphate
    • ammonium sulfate
    • amphotericin B
    • animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
    • dog kidney, monkey kidney,
    • chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
    • calf (bovine) serum
    • betapropiolactone
    • fetal bovine serum
    • formaldehyde
    • formalin
    • gelatin
    • glycerol
    • human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
    • hydrolized gelatin
    • mercury thimerosol
    • monosodium glutamate (MSG)
    • neomycin
    • neomycin sulfate
    • phenol red indicator
    • phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
    • potassium diphosphate
    • potassium monophosphate
    • polymyxin B
    • polysorbate 20
    • polysorbate 80
    • porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
    • residual MRC5 proteins
    • sorbitol
    • sucrose
    • tri(n)butylphosphate,
    • VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and
    • washed sheep red blood

    and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. Reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosol causes severe neurological and immunological damage, are not credible. I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian Virus 40 (SV-40) and that SV-40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals.
    I hereby give my assurance that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby give my assurance that said SV-40 or other viruses pose no substantive risk to my patient.)
    I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name) _______________ _______________________ do not contain any cells from aborted human babies (also known as “fetuses”).
    In order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants.
    Steps taken:
    ______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.
    The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A , attached hereto, “Physician’s Bases for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each recommended vaccine separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.)
    The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, “Scientific Articles in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.” The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, “Scientific Articles Contrary to Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in Attachment D , attached hereto, “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of Adverse Scientific Opinions.”
    Hepatitis B:
    I understand that 60% of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group. I understand that in the VAERS, there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1 year age group, with 47 deaths reported. I understand that 50% of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after exposure. I understand that 30% will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have lifetime immunity.

    I understand that 20% will develop the symptoms of the disease, but that 95% will fully recover and have lifetime immunity. I understand that 5% of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75% of the chronic carriers will live with an asymptomatic infection and that only 25% of the chronic carriers will develop chronic liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children under the age of 5 years.
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D , attached hereto, “Non-vaccine Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors.”
    I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name) ________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is _____________________________, an attorney admitted to the Bar in the State of __________________ .

    __________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician)

    __________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician)

    Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. ________

    Witness: ___________________________________ Date: ________________________

    Notary Public: ______________________________ Date: ________________________

    If my doctor can sign this… Then I will vaccinate again….

  22. Andrew says:

    So you’d be willing to sign something that said that you’re willing to risk your children getting

    diphtheria
    tetanus
    pertussis
    polio
    measles
    mumps
    rubella
    chickenpox
    hepatitus B

    or meningitis

    because of assertions that are at best vague, and certainly unfounded?

    You’re willing to explain to your children when they’re crippled or brain damaged or dying that you went against not only the vast medical consensus because of some things you read on blogs?

    My gods, woman, even if there was a tiny risk of a reaction from these vaccines, there’s a huge risk — an incredible risk — of getting the diseases.

    It’s like saying you don’t want your kids to wear seat belts because they run the risk of getting stuck if a UFO tries to abduct them.

    It’s basic math — on one side is tremendous risk and dire consequences; ask some people who’ve had polio or hep B. On the other is an undocumented notion that “I think these things are bad.”

    And you’re willing to risk your kids lives for this. Wow.

  23. gnomic says:

    Like I said, IDIOT isn’t quite strong enough.

    Misty, you are the classic example of someone who can’t make good judgements. Even if there is risk in the vaccines (something no one denies), it is a very small one compared to the likelyhood of getting the disease and having a catastrophic outcome.

    Its like a person that smokes tell me that Diet Coke is bad for me.

    I’ve worked in medical offices, at a medical school, with medical researchers and my best friends brother is autistic. I’ve also discussed the research with people who are competant to judge the issue. They ALL vaccinated thier kids.

    And I supect they would, to a person and to your face, call you an IDIOT.

    And to be clear, although I think you are a total idiot for you choice, I support your right to make that choice. And while I wish your kids absolutly no ill and hope that they never suffer from your choice, if something ever does happen – an increasingly likely chance given increasing globalization – you are to blame.

    You will deserve to lose every last thing you own to pay for the medical care your kids will provide. And when they take the last cent from your hands, I hope you have signed a card for organ donation to make up for the costs I and the rest of society will have to pay to cover thier care. And the that payment should be due immediately.

    I have no problem with you taking herion until you kill yourself. That’s a choice that only affects you. You are gambing with your kids lives and with my money. That is why you are an IDIOT.

  24. Misty says:

    Once again. I would appreciate it if you would not call me names. I have done nothing wrong to you besides voicing my point. Historical records show that people thousands of years ago survived longer than we do now… Hmmm. I wonder why. Prove to me that they are safe if you are so hysterical about this issue. Prove to me that desease rates have decreased over the last 50 years. It will be us paying for your early funeral

  25. Misty says:

    You are an IDIOT, and obviously the drug and vax companies have you scammed for your money. While you worry about others “RIGHT” to choose not to vax, you will probably have to pay for your childrens medical bills way before you are buried.

  26. Andrew says:

    “Historical records show that people thousands of years ago survived longer than we do now…”

    Um, what records are you talking about? Can you cite some? New rule: You don’t get to make up stuff and call it a fact.

    Life-expectancy tables have been kept for a LONG time, and — thanks in large part to a lower rate of infant and child mortality — it has gone up tremendously thanks to better health care. And that includes vaccinations.

    You can see table back to 1850 here for starters:
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

  27. Andrew says:

    In 2000, the World Health Organization came up with a plan to cut measles deaths in Africa by more than half by 2005 by increased vaccinations. (In 2000 there were more than 450,000 measles deaths in Africa.)

    WHO targeted children from 9 months to 14 years old. In the FIRST YEAR of this program, measles cases dropped 83% to 97% in the countries that implemented it.

    Yeah, vaccines are a farce. Tell that to the dead kids.

  28. Andrew says:

    And should I bring up the polio and smallpox vaccine conspiracies? How many thousands of lives have those two vaccines saved?

    Yet you wouldn’t vaccinate your kids. Wow.

  29. gnomic says:

    And you can check out the CDC for trends on diseases and you will note that EVERY disease for which there is a vaccine in widespread use has shown a decline. At the same time, life expentancy has increased in every country where the vaccines are in widespread use. Do they cause problems – scientific studies have shown an increased risk (something like 3 in 100,000 as I remember) of complications, Its a risk I’m willing to take for me and my kid.

    My family lost 7 kids in the influenza outgreak in 1912. I’ve know 3 people who had polio (the last generation to have to use the iron lung). One woman in my son’s day care is visiting her kid in the hospital because she didn’t have hime vaccinated (don’t have any more details than that though).

    And understand Misty that I’m not calling you names. I’m telling you that you are an idiot for the choice you have made (see topic header at top of page) for your child. You aren’t doing it because of your religion, you are doing it because you are too paranoid and stupid to understand your choice. That is the very definition of an idiot.

    By the way, the water is floridated.

  30. Misty says:

    I think you should explore both sides as I have done before you come to a conclusion.

    Check this one out….

    http://www.satanicvaccines.com

  31. gnomic says:

    I stand by every comment I’ve made, but most especially the one that IDIOT isn’t strong enough. You expect me to ignore a bunch of real scientists for a handful of nut jobs spouting scripture? News flash – Jesus didn’t say “follow the stupid people, for they will tell you right from wrong.” So go ahead and drink the kool aid and skip the shots, for I’m done discussing this with you. You obviously can’t tell the difference between smart and dumb choices and evolution will settle this (whether you believe in it or not).

  32. Misty says:

    Even though you claim to have seen and witnissed a great deal of “miracles” that vaccines have done, there is a great deal of information you are mislead about and have no clue about. What does the safety study use when they come out with a new vaccine? You might say a placebo… What consists of the placebo they use? Not sterile water, not saline…. but other vaccines that were declared as “safe”…
    The Nut job you talked about didn’t just use common sense when he decided to extend on this issue, but he also used well-qualified doctors’ research that had high credentials. One of those doctors can be found here.
    http://www.satanicvaccines.com/user/bin/vaccines-cdc_documents_and_science-dr._tenpenny.mp3

    She talks about the CDC documents and busts some pretty startling myths.
    Would anyone inventing a vaccine ever tell you what and how they do it from the first step of constructing in to the jab they put into your child? I think NOT! Why? Let me guess. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW. According to the speach of the doctor I just mentioned, all it takes is the stroke of a pen to declare a vaccine safe and useful.

    Tell me this. What is the difference between a vaccine and an immunization?

    What is the difference between research efficacy and clinical efficacy?

    Whatever. I think you are selfish to think that I am putting the whole damn world at risk of dying off by not vaccinating my children. You can go to hell. I did make the choice to vaccinate my first child the first two and a half years of his life, and he has had non stop problems that I firmly believe without a doubt had something to do with the vax. Same with my second child. My third child only saw one set of vax, and that is the only set she will see.

    Let’s say that it’s true that I am putting the world at risk of dying off by not vaccinating my children. GOOD. Where do you think you go after life? Into the ground, then you turn into some magic dust and back into another human with a different life. You moron. Evolution is another issue. What FACTUAL research supports that?!!!

  33. Misty says:

    Oct. 1, 2007

    $100,000 VACCINE OFFER

    THE FOLLOWING OFFER is made to U.S.-licensed medical doctors who routinely administer childhood vaccinations and to pharmaceutical company CEOs worldwide:
    Jock Doubleday, director of the California 501(c)3 nonprofit corporation Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc., hereby offers $100,000.00 to the first medical doctor or pharmaceutical company CEO who publicly drinks a mixture of standard vaccine additives ingredients in the same amount as a six-year-old child is recommended to receive under the year-2005 guidelines of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (In the event that thimerosal has recently been removed from a particular vaccine, the thimerosal-containing version of that vaccine will be used.)

    The mixture will not contain viruses or bacteria dead or alive, but will contain standard vaccine additive ingredients in their usual forms and proportions. The mixture will include, but will not be limited to, the following ingredients: thimerosal (a mercury derivative), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), phenol (a disinfectant dye), benzethonium chloride (a disinfectant), formaldehyde (a preservative and disinfectant), and aluminum.

    The mixture will be prepared by Jock Doubleday, three medical professionals that he names, and three medical professionals that the participant names.

    The mixture will be body weight calibrated.

    Because the participant is either a professional caregiver who routinely administers childhood vaccinations, or a pharmaceutical company CEO whose business is, in part, the sale of childhood vaccines, it is understood by all parties that the participant considers all vaccine additive ingredients to be safe and that the participant considers any mixture containing these ingredients to be safe.

    The participant agrees, and any and all agents and associates of the participant agree, to indemnify and hold harmless in perpetuity any and all persons, organizations, and/or entities associated with the event for any harm caused, or alleged to be caused, directly or indirectly, to the participant or indirectly to the participant’s heirs, relations, employers, employees, colleagues, associates, or other persons, organizations, or entities claiming association with, or representation of, the participant, by the participant’s participation in the event.

    The event will be held within six months of the participant’s written agreement to the above and further elaborated terms.

    To the list of potential candidates for the $100,000 Vaccine Offer, 14 members of the CDC’s 2006 Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) have been added, as follows:

    Jon S. Abramson, M.D.
    Ban Mishu Allos, M.D.
    Carol Baker, M.D.
    Janet R. Gilsdorf, M.D.
    Harry Hull, M.D.
    Susan Lett, M.D.
    Tracy Lieu, M.D.
    Dale L. Morse, M.D.
    Julia Morita, M.D.
    Kathleen Neuzil, M.D.
    Patricia Stinchfield, N.P.
    Ciro Valent Sumaya, M.D.
    John J. Treanor, M.D.
    Robin J. Womeodu, M.D.

    In the event that any of the above ACIP members’ terms expire and they are replaced by new members, the new members will be added automatically to the list of potential candidates for the Vaccine Offer.

    Contact Jock Doubleday: director@spontaneouscreation.org

  34. Ttruth says:

    Why dont you find out what;s really in vaccinations from the man who made them and was the worlds leading vaccination expert.see below.
    Also you should that the majority of parents who don’t vaccinate happen to be Doctors themselves, nurses, scientists and otherwise well educated people generally who care about their childrens health and question things on their behalf unlike the sheeplike masses who do vaccinate and feed their kids all nasty sort of chemicals too and never question anything. Chacs vaccinate, intelligent people question things
    Read your history Jenner actually gave people smallpox, polio was only wiped out after people refused the shots, all deaths rates from childhood diseases had already dropped by ovet 95% before the vaccination were introduced.
    None of my kids have had a a vaccination ever and have not been to the GP for anything. Vaccinations weaken the immune system, look at the plagues of asthma and exzema in vaccinated children, look at tumours found to contain vaccine matter, look at thimerosal which is 10 times more toxic than metalic mercury which they have had to remove from childhood vaccinations on the quite and a study shows that vaccinated children are 2.5 times more likey to sufffer Neurologic disesases than non vaccinated children. Fancy monkey glands, human featuses and contaminated aninal rna/dana in your vaccinations and animal viral diseases?
    VACCINATIONS CONTAMINTAED WITH ANIMAL VIRAL DISEASES SAYS WORLD LEADING EXPERT AND VACCINE DEVELOPER. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU

  35. Misty says:

    Finally, someone else decided to come up on this junky page to make some common sense!

  36. Mick says:

    I know this discussion was a long time ago, but Misty, supplying a link to a site called “Satanic Vaccines” in an effort to support your statements just makes you look like a nutter.

    Seriously. A nutter.

    That is all.

  37. gnomic says:

    Measles cases rise sharply; Vaccine refusals fuel increase. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26333787/

    If your kid gets my kid sick because of your stupid decisions, I’m holding your stupid arse accountable. And by accountable, I’m mean you are gonna be hurtin too.

  38. James says:

    Gnomic – If vaccines work as well as you say, why are you worried? Besides, wouldn’t your kids getting sick from measles and dying in spite of being vaccinated being a great example of the evolutionary weeding out you seem to be in favor of for those you disagree with? Seriously, if your vaccine works like you say, what is your problem? And I suspect that you are British, but take a look at VAERS, the American vaccine side effect reporting system run by the government and CDC. Fascinating stuff there. In fact, if you run the numbers you will find that if you get a serious side effect from vaccines you have around a 1% chance of dying from it. Which vaccinated disease has that high of a probability?

    Also, where autism and other vaccine effects are concerned, I will trust my own empirical data over scientific speculation any day. Thankfully I do not have any children with autism, but some of my children have been vaccinated. Are you going to tell me like my doctor did that when my child starts screaming and showing a rash and having a high fever starting the day he was vaccinated and running for two weeks with the fever up and down that it was completely unrelated to the vaccine? I don’t buy it for an instant. You drink that Kool aid if you wish, but I will go with what my eyes see, not what someone told me they see.

    What I would very much like to see is a study determining how many children there are who have never been vaccinated at all, including the flu shot, who have autism. Are there any at all? If there are not, that would be telling I would think that there is a link somewhere. Also, is there a difference in rates between whites and blacks in vaccinated countries? If not, how many Africans who have not been vaccinated have autism? Will these studies be done? Probably not because the answer may be known and it is probably that there appears to be a link, whether scientists understand it or not.

    Gnomic, something you should remember is that the world doesn’t work that way that it does because science says so. According to science, bumblebees shouldn’t be able to fly because their wings are too short for their body mass. Fortunately for the bees they don’t listen to the scientists. Science recently (a few months ago I think) announced that they had discovered how bees are able to fly. Good news for the bees. They were right all along. Now, idiot, who do you want to listen to, the bees or science?

  39. gnomic says:

    James, the misinformation you are repeating shows that you are not fully informed. I’m not bashing you – the misinformation campaign is pervasive. And that is exactly why I’m vocal on this issue.

    Where to begin?

    1. Like all medicines, vaccines have risks. Statistically, these risks are quite small. My son had his 3rd set of vaccines last week and had a slight fever and redness, so I get that the statistic is meaningless when it happens to you.

    2. I’m not British, but a lot of people think I’m un-American.

    3. There is *no* empirical evidence showing a link between vaccines and autism. None. Empirically, a cause-effect relationship cannot be found because both vaccinated and non-vaccinated children have autism. What you are describing is anecdotal evidence.

    3. There are lots of studies showing that the rate of autism is statistically the same for both the vaccinated and non-vaccinated population, but you won’t find these studies on any of the anti-vaccine autism sites. What has to be taken into account is the correlation between access to health care and autism rates. Developed countries have greater access to both vaccines and health care and the more access (and money) that a country has, the higher the rate of autism. Why? Because the diagnosis rate is higher. Poor countries have less vaccinations, but also less diagnosis. Why? Because of two factors – less people see the doctor and doctors don’t bother to diagnose it because there is nothing that can be done.

    You can find similar statically flaws on studies of mental illness, erectile dysfunction, and ADHD. Statistically, these things happen much more often in areas that can afford drugs for them. Uninformed conclusion: The availability of drugs causes disease.

    The studies that do not take these factors and the changes to the diagnosis criteria that has occurred over the last 60 years will show a statistical correlation between vaccination rates and autism. These same studies could also conclude that doctors cause autism.

    In all studies, not one has shown a metabolic cause and effect. Those that show a correlation have not examined and ruled out other factors. There are theories that mercury causes the problem, but studies showing the correlation of mercury in blood tests to autism rates do not show any correlation. The other more recent theory (not that mercury has been shot down) is that the vaccination overwhelms the immune system, somehow (magic?) resulting in autism. There is no proof supporting this theory yet, and statistics do not support this conclusion.

    4. People like to use examples of things science can’t explain as proof that science is wrong, a completely wrong (see http://www.physorg.com/news89459870.html) and ignorant argument. (see http://www.charleswood.ca/reading/bumble.php).

    There are things science cannot explain (who created the universe and why), things that science can only describe (gravity), things that science can only describe incompletely (astrophysics, relativity, evolution), things science can explain, (fire), and things science has yet to explain (the Higgs boson).

    What we are talking about here is the statistical analysis of the effects of a vaccine across a large population and the flaws in the studies that have led a large population to the wrong conclusion, much like people believed that washing hands didn’t prevent the spread of disease. Because this is a complex issue with many factors and people naturally want to blame someone else for the genetic problems of their offspring, they have latched onto this theory that isn’t proven and want to force science to come to the conclusion that they want through political means

    Its bad science and bad public policy.

    6. The risk of autism is very small and results in a lifetime impairment. The cumulative risk of the communicable diseases that are vaccinated is much higher and the risk of death is much greater. The only reason the risk rates for the diseases is relatively low is because so many people have been vaccinated.

    Finally,

    7. The evolutionary aspect is imperfect in this case. The parents make a decision that kills their offspring, but not them. Further, if enough of them do so, they create a population that enables a sustainable disease vector. This could allow sufficient spread that results in my kid (who has not gotten all his vaccines yet) becoming ill. So the idiots that made this bad decision don’t suffer, those that had no part in the decision do. From a social evolution perspective, it does end the genetic line and punish the society that allowed this to occur, so evolution is at work in the long term. And I’m simply volunteering to help evolution along by making sure that stupid people don’t continue to breed after putting my kid at risk.

    So James, this is America and you are free to believe any damn fool thing you wish. This generation doesn’t remember polio or the 1912 typhoid plague and seem to enjoy being ignorant and making grown-up decisions that go against prevailing wisdom. And – like not wearing a helmet when on a motorcycle with a 300% increase in the risk of death from an accident – if it only impacted the person that made the stupid decision, I’d be cheering them on and out of the gene pool. But when the stupidity of others puts me at risk, I’ve got something to say about it.

    More information:

    Vaccines: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/stats-surv/default.htm
    Disease Rates: http://www.who.int/healthinfo/bodestimates/en/index.html
    Plages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historical_plagues

  40. James says:

    Gnomic – The reason I suspected you were British is because of your use of the word arse. Perhaps that was simply done in an effort to be circumspect. You and I will have to disagree on this then. Can you tell me where to find a study on the autism vs vaccinated or not thing? That should be a straight statistical analysis and doesn’t require years of observation. I just want to know which way it goes.

    I brought up the science vs empirical evidence thing not to say that science is wrong, but to say that science is not always right and what they think is right now will not be found to be so in the future.

    What I have found with my own eyes is that doctors will lie to cover up the effects of vaccines. My son’s illness never made it to VAERS because as far as the doc was concerned it was unrelated to the vaccine. How many others are the same way? Also, I have to question the numbers on this. Many of these diseases are very rare even in the wild and the chances of being permanently injured or killed by them was very low, especially with modern medicine. In some cases I would argue that the potential for side effects from vaccines is as high as the potential from the disease itself.

    Vaccines are also a huge business. I have a hard time trusting anyone connected to them to be honest about it. This includes the CDC and my former doctor. Truth is a hard thing to come by in this world, even in science.

    The risk rates for the vaccines were fairly low already, even before vaccines. I had chicken pox. Did you? Obviously if you did you’re not dead. Why do we need to vaccinate against this? Or measles? Or mumps? or rubella? All effectively harmless in children (measles had a death rate of .0000125% in the years before the vaccine according to the CNN report on the current outbreak). There is good evidence that these diseases help prepare your body to fight off more powerful diseases later. They also almost all conferred a lifelong immunity. Something vaccines cannot do.

  41. gnomic says:

    Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26550114/

    New research further debunks any link between measles vaccine and autism.

    Years of research with the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, better known as MMR, have concluded that it doesn’t cause autism. Still, some parents’ fears persist, in part because of one 1998 British study that linked the vaccine with a subgroup of autistic children who also have serious gastrointestinal problems. That study reported that measles virus was lingering in the children’s bowels.

    Only now have researchers rigorously retested that finding, taking samples of youngsters’ intestines to hunt for signs of virus with the most modern genetic technology. There is no evidence that MMR plays any role, the international team — which included researchers who first raised the issue — reported Wednesday.

  42. gnomic says:

    And if you are not getting your kid vaccinated because propaganda about autism, go read this.

    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/01/the_first_of_i_hope_many_very_bad_days_f.php

    And if the science doesn’t convince you, you should go get some large healing crystals and pound them into your head with a power drill.

  43. James says:

    @Gnomic – Yes, yes. Once more with the thimerosal and autism thing. I don’t vaccinate and I will not vaccinate and it has nothing to do with thimerosal. I suspect that your side is making it a red herring to avoid looking at other possibilities.

    What I have yet to see or hear of (and if you know of it I would love a link) is a study of how many children who have had no vaccines (not thimerosal) who are autistic. This would be only children who have had zero, none, nada on the vaccinations, including the flu shot. How many of this group have autism?

    There are enough out there that autism should be found based on statistical probability of the number occurring in society. The only studies I have seen are from non-scientific analyses by medical groups who do not vaccinate. One of the groups is quite large (several thousand children) and has no reported cases of autism. I would like to see a scientific study done of this. It’s simple. There is no need for a double blind or anything like that. The test has already effectively been done, all that is needed is for someone to analyze the results.

    If you or anyone else knows of such a study (and not another of the straw man thimerosal studies) please let me know. Also, out of curiosity, if such a study were to be done and it was found that no non-vaccinated child had autism, would you be willing to admit that there is likely a link (that apparently is not thimerosal)?

  44. lindsay says:

    Misty and James, you must stop wasting your time on gnomic. Anyone accusing other people of being idiots yet making elementary spelling mistakes such as, “occatinoal, fallowup, rampent, zelosusly” and so on…. clearly is not worth trying to have an educated discussion with. Not to mention an adult calling other adults names. Dare I even bring up the pathetic attempt at describing darwinism? Gnomic, I’m afraid you are quite unclear on that very simple subject-Ask someone who knows that “idiocity” isn’t a word to describe the process to you. So copy and paste as many articles as you choose(trust me we can tell) and call me names, but let those of us with actual educations do the talking here.

  45. HonestMan says:

    The Pennsylvania Dutch have NO autism….The Amish have NO autism….forbids vaccinations. Even under the most liberal calculations each community should have HUNDREDS of cases. Yet, they don’t. There are several peer reviewed case studies, though they will never be reported in the mainstream media. So folks like you who get all their “news” predigested will be ignorant of the total facts. You believe everything that NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CNN “discovers” about the opponents of autism and never bother to do your own research…even to the extend of basic investigation in scientific journals. Of course, that isn’t a problem for you, because you “know better than the crazies” and I’m sure this information won’t change that because I’m you always will “know better.”

  46. Andrew says:

    My god, HonestMan, have you no grasp of causation? By your logic, hair dryers cause autism — after all, the Amish don’t use them and they don’t get autism!

    Or maybe riding horses prevents autism. Or maybe the danger is television. Or public school. Or… you name it.

    You can’t take one fact about them (their lack of vaccinations), ignore all the others, and attribute that fact as a cause.

    (Since I got my new tires, my office plant has bloomed. Must be something about those tires!)

  47. gnomic says:

    The Amish also don’t go to doctors. Ever been to an Amish community? Really in, where you get to meet the kid’s that aren’t quite right that aren’t out front in the little towns. They exist.

  48. gnomic says:

    lindsay,

    Why should we listen to someone who can’t properly capitalize their name? And who posts stuff they just make up? Augh! Don’t listen to her.

    I’ll stack my credentials and GPA up against yours any day.

  49. gnomic says:

    I strongly encourage all of you who don’t like vaccines not to have them. Or any other medical treatment – they might cause something too. You just can’t be too careful. Did you know that keyboards and CRTs generate electric fields that some believe cause cancer? Its absolutely true. Google it. Right now this blog is causing you to have cancer. ITS KILLING YOU. You should come back when the computer technician will sign a 17 page form guaranteeing that you won’t ever be harmed by anything related to computers for the rest of you life.

  50. gnomic says:

    Wow, Andrew, this blog line is like a light to moths. Very, very stupid moths. Moths that have no idea how to make an informed risk decision, or understand the difference between causation, correlation, and just plain stupid nonsense.

    You should spin this off and charge for it. Separating fools from their money is your patriotic duty.

  51. Neerock99 says:

    It is true that vaccinating has a low percent of having a side effect,not vaccinating your children does not automatically mean they are going to the measles, mumps, or rubella. I have never been vaccinated, am twenty years old. I have never seriously sick. Never had the flu or any other other serious disease. Fear is a great way to control the masses.

  52. Robert says:

    I didn’t get the swine-flu vac and neither did my kids. I felt gultiy at the time, but I’m glad I followed my instincts. Your six words made me tear up. (that happens a lot, in case you hadn’t caught on)Mine, because this has been a recurring theme as of late, “Have learned to follow my instincts.”

  53. Icca says:

    I happen to biveele that vaccines are important to keeping not only our own kids safe but also kids within this country safe. While I’m not personally telling anyone what to decide as far as their own child is concerned, if every parent decided not to vaccinate their child, then these diseases would come back in droves and people would get very sick and die. The reason these vaccines exist and are still given to people is because the diseases still exist.I know the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine is hotly debated as a cause for autism. For a long time it was biveeled that the mercury used as a preservative in the immunization was the cause. Well, mercury hasn’t been used in vaccines for many years now and autism does not only still exist, it’s incidence rate is increasing. Also, there has been ANOTHER big study recently published that I biveele Isabella may have given a link for, which shows that there is no link between the MMR shot and autism. Still, if parents want to vaccinate their kids but feel that the recommended schedule is too clumped together or too rigorous, then an adapted vaccine schedule can be used. It’s just an option.I used to work in a room with 8 autistic adults, and the parents for each of those adults had a different period in their child’s life when they became autistic . Even between those 8 people, there was NO obvious identifying thing that caused their autism. They all had varying degrees of autism as well.I happen to personally biveele that autism is caused by a genetic predisposition triggered by some environmental trigger. I don’t know what that trigger is, but if you study families that have autistic kids, you tend to see family members possessing some of the singular characteristics of autism. For instance, you may have the antisocial uncle, etc.This is a hot debate and more and more people are being directly affected by this disease and its effects. Instead of thinking that any one of us has all the answers, maybe our energy is best spent by supporting the people who are getting out there to put the word out (no matter what their personal opinion is), AND, the people who are researching and trying to find not only the cause for cures for this very baffling disease. If no one has seen the new movie Temple (about the PhD professor at Colorado State University Temple Grandin, who has autism), it’s fascinating.

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